ari shapiro, michelle bernard, and chris join me. the president, boehner, behind closed doors, they're not reading anything. they did it without any other leaders. i think the real negotiations have finally started. >> that's a good sign when we're not hearing much, when they're saying everything is a disaster or we're making progress. when they're meeting and saying we're not going to tell anybody what happened behind closed doors, to me that's getting somewhere. >> look at the clock. if everybody wants to get up. senator joe man offion. the smell of the jet fumes from national all want to be out here before the 24th. if if the bill on the 18th it at the latest, that means to get a bill written like that you need to have the frame wok by the 14th or 15th. today is the 10th. >> the framework a little plug and play. >> you can do an extension. if it really comes down -- i know no one will want to hear that, you can say here is the framework. we buy ourselves two months' time, whatever it might be, to write the legislation, and then yo